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There's a new book that's out (I haven't read it) entitled "Outraged". This page contains supposed "notes" from a class named Leadership. I have no memory of such a class but it sounds like a HAC class. The point of posting these "notes" is to emphasize #12.

Anyone have any insights into a class named Leadership?

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I don't know where it came from, but I'm not a fan.....at all.

The list above is what every dictator would love to have. Someone who will take the blame for them and cover for them.
 
It sounds like one of Bro Hyles books. I threw them all away when Danny died. It could be Schapp book or dh as I'm looking at it.
 
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They like to get you in a compromising position
Well, they like to get you there and smile in your face
Yeah, they think they're so cute when they got you in that condition
But I think it's a total disgrace
And I say

I fight authority, authority always wins
Well, I fight authority, authority always wins
Well, I've been doing it since I was a young kid
And I come out grinnin'
Well, I fight authority, authority always wins
(Oh yeah!)

I call up my preacher
I say, "Give me strength for round 5"
He said, "You don't need no strength, you need to grow up son"
I said, "Growin' up leads to growin' old and then to dyin'
Ooo, and dyin' to me don't sound like all that much fun"

("Authority Song," John Cougar Mellencamp)
 
abcaines said:
That. Isn't. Leadership.
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Nor submission.
IFB X-Files said:
There's a new book that's out (I haven't read it) entitled "Outraged". This page contains supposed "notes" from a class named Leadership. I have no memory of such a class but it sounds like a HAC class. The point of posting these "notes" is to emphasize #12.

Anyone have any insights into a class named Leadership?

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Author and publisher, please.
 
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While many leaders in local churches are sincere men of high moral character, the fact is that a larger percentage than we think are guilty of crimes against children and other adults including their spouses.​
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Seriously? A 'larger percentage than we think?'

This was just published last month, and it looks like one of those self-publishing jobs...which is fine, but it looks like something by someone with an axe to grind. So naturally he will want to include the most salacious and most easily misconstrued tid-bits.

Going from the information you gave, the list is from an unnamed source's notes from a leadership class. And as you said, you have no memory of such a list, so this 'class' was probably an individual thing from something like a Sunday School or seminar.

I very seriously doubt that even if the leadership in a particular place are wolves, that they're removing their sheepskins in their leadership classes. So I wouldn't be so quick to conclude that the 'covering for' and 'taking blame for' means for their sins and crimes. Most likely they're saying one's spiritual leader should be shielded from unjust criticism and other kinds of defamation.
 
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Ekklesian said:
While many leaders in local churches are sincere men of high moral character, the fact is that a larger percentage than we think are guilty of crimes against children and other adults including their spouses.​
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Seriously? A 'larger percentage than we think?'

This was just published last month, and it looks like one of those self-publishing jobs...which is fine, but it looks like something by someone with an axe to grind. So naturally he will want to include the most salacious and most easily misconstrued tid-bits.

Going from the information you gave, the list is from an unnamed source's notes from a leadership class. And as you said, you have no memory of such a list, so this 'class' was probably an individual thing from something like a Sunday School or seminar.

I very seriously doubt that even if the leadership in a particular place are wolves, that they're removing their sheepskins in their leadership classes. So I wouldn't be so quick to conclude that the 'covering for' and 'taking blame for' means for their sins and crimes. Most likely they're saying one's spiritual leader should be shielded from unjust criticism and other kinds of defamation.
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The author has been asked to provide the source of these "notes". If and when that happens, I'll post it.
 
This kind of reminds me of: I got this from some guy, who heard it from another guy, who sat in this class and took these notes back in 2005...etc. etc. etc.
 
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This kind of reminds me of: I got this from some guy, who heard it from another guy, who sat in this class and took these notes back in 2005...etc. etc. etc.
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Heard it from friend who.. heard from a friend who... heard from another...
 
IFB X-Files said:
There's a new book that's out (I haven't read it) entitled "Outraged". This page contains supposed "notes" from a class named Leadership. I have no memory of such a class but it sounds like a HAC class. The point of posting these "notes" is to emphasize #12.

Anyone have any insights into a class named Leadership?

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In contrast,

“A strong leader accepts blame and gives the credit. A weak leader gives blame and accepts the credit.”​

― John Wooden, Wooden on Leadership: How to Create a Winning Organization
 
An example of authority and leadership principles, Hammond style:

"Our teenage boys , , , would often describe Dave Hyles' incessant harangue in youth department meetings, but there was little that I could do to correct this ugly behavior. . . . 'You guys are nothing but half baked rebels,' Dave would scream at the top of his voice, 'If you want someday to be a good leader, you must first learn to be a good follower! For God to be able to use you, you must give your leadership nothing less than unquestionable loyalty and obedience and some day become a leader yourself.' 'If I order you, like the sergeant did the colonel, to retrieve your spittle out of the dirt, YOU MUST DO IT! God will some day hold the leader accountable if the order was inappropriate, but will always bless you for obeying. Total and unquestioned obedience to leadership is the best way I know for you to succeed!'"

(Source, Victor Nischik, "The Wizard of God - My Life With Jack Hyles," 1990, p. 91).
 
I could be wrong about this. It's been decades ago, but I think I took a course called "Leadership" from Max Helton in the 1976-77 academic year. I liked Helton and generally thought he was a competent man and leader. These were the early years of HAC when the staff and faculty were not as inbred as it later became.

For those unfamiliar, Helton left after 76-77 and later gained some notoriety by starting the NASCAR ministry. He died in 2008.

I looked at he current catalogue online and the course is no longer offered.
 
Jo said:
I suspect you have more than a Bachelor's. Am I right?
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Well, yes ... but I don't think a two-year college diploma is what you mean. :) I graduated in 1997 with a BA. Kurt Gray woud have started one or two years later. It's just unusual to see my Alma mater pop up. Waterloo is to Canada what MIT is to the States, but not quite as significant on a more international scale.
 
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From what I can see on Kurt Gray's professional and social-media pages, he appears to be a secular evolutionary psychologist with an academic interest in religious psychology. I could be wrong, but I'm skeptical that his source for that "leadership class" was the Hyles camp, which in the grand scheme of things is a fairly obscure fundamentalist sect--a big fish in a small pond. If he does cite his source, we'll see.
 
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